Erin (lizzypaul) wrote in dobson_survivor,
Erin
lizzypaul
dobson_survivor

  • Mood:
  • Music:

Responding to the Response: Argument Two

Part One: What's going on?
Part Two: The Flawed Introduction.
Part Three: But Jesus Wasn't That Important Anyway

You can still find the article here.

Next, Mr. Dallas responds to the quandary of gay Christians. While there are some logical fallacies I'd like to address, this section is one large exercise in missing the point. To quote:

The argument is illogical in that it assumes if one is a Christian, and if one is loved by God, than what one does must be right in God's sight.



I'm going to quote the last couple lines in this section, as they set up his thinking nicely and make his mindset easier to understand.

Saying "I'm Christian and gay" proves nothing. The question shouldn't be: Can a person be homosexual and still belong to God? But rather: Is homosexuality right or wrong according to the Bible?

And with that one statement, Mr. Dallas utterly fails to get it. Responding to this is almost a waste of my time, as his entire argument is based on something fundamentally wrong. Mr. Dallas and I come from two different theological backgrounds (you think?) and will have a hard time finding common ground here.

You see, the question is "Can a person be homosexual and still belong to God?" "Is homosexuality right or wrong according to the Bible?" is a secondary question, but not near as important as the first question Mr. Dallas casually dismisses.

There will always be theological disagreements. There will always be areas of doctrinal debate. That's why there are so many Christian denominations. And that's fine. Baptists don't believe in women pastors. That's why my mother is Nazarene. Does that mean the Baptists are bad Christians? No. Does it mean my mother is a bad Christian? Of course not. Thank God that we have freedom of religion, and can decide to go to the church that best fits our personal theology.

Let's put Mr. Dallas's question another way. Keep in mind, here, that there are more injunctions against female clergy than homosexuals, by far.

Saying, "I'm a Christian and I'm a female minister" proves nothing. The question shouldn't be: Can a woman be a pastor and still belong to God? But rather: Are women pastors right or wrong according to the Bible?

See how ridiculous that looks? There are always going to be theological disagreements. The trick is to be able to find common ground with those you disagree with and respect their point of view. There's no biblical (or sociological) justification for denying someone civil rights because they have a different idea of God than you.

Going back to the beginning of the article, there are a couple statements I want to discuss.

A Christian may, indeed, be openly homosexual; that is no proof homosexuality and Christianity are compatible.

Um. Yes it is. If you're a Christ follower, and you're gay, that is proof that the two lives are compatible. Perhaps Joe should look up that word in the dictionary.

It is a waste of time to argue intangibles, such as whether or not a 'gay Christian' is truly born again, or "saved".

1) It's a waste of time to argue intangibles, such as whether a 'judgmental Christian' is truly born again, or "saved".

2) You're right, it's a waste of time. Try to accept your gay brothers and sisters, we'll try to understand your viewpoint, and all of us can try to act like adults--and Christians.


Sigh. That just gave me a headache. Sorry this part was so late, I got caught up at work. Hopefully the next part will be out quicker.
  • Post a new comment

    Error

    default userpic
  • 0 comments